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键盘侠🤔挺懂~美网友评中国篮球第二弹！中国孩子打球都像威少

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中国男篮在本届世界杯上的表现受到了国外球迷的大量关注，在Reddit论坛上，美国网友甚至单独开了一个讨论贴，讨论中国男篮多年来在国际赛事上表现毫无起色的原因。如下是小编整理的部分网友的评论。

注：美网友曾在今年世界杯小组赛中国队69-89不敌南苏丹队的赛后贴中，简单讨论过中国男篮，有兴趣的吧友可以去看看。

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[–]SerbiaTheMagicMan56 377 points 7 hours ago

Their basketball league isn't that competent, you have players who averaged some insane numbers in China just to go to Europe and be an average (sometimes below average) player in any respectable competition.

Miroslav Raduljica spent the 2020-21 season averaging 24/11/5 on 57% from the field in China, yet he racked up DNPs in the Euroleague and the ABA league for Red Star Belgrade last season because he isn't good enough to even get in the game. Dallas Moore averaged 26/6/4 on 51/41/83 shooting splits in China, yet averaged 6 PPG in the Eurocup (second tier European international club competition) the season after that.

China is talked about that much because they have nice paydays for ex-NBA players to rack up without the stress of playing competitive basketball, which makes the Chinese players in that league seem even worse.

球迷：中国篮球联赛的水平不是很高，在中国能打出疯狂数据的球员，去欧洲任何一个像样的赛事打球，能力也只是平均水准（甚至是平均水准以下）。2020-21赛季，拉杜利察在CBA打出场均24分11篮板5助攻的数据，投篮命中率57%，但是上赛季为贝尔格莱德红星队效力并征战ABA联赛（亚得里亚海篮球联赛）和欧洲篮球联赛时，却进不了轮换阵容，他的能力差到甚至都没资格获得上场时间。达拉斯-摩尔在CBA场均能砍下26分6篮板4助攻，三项命中率达51%/41%/83%，但是接下去的那个赛季，他在欧洲篮协杯赛（欧洲俱乐部联赛次级赛事）场均只能得到6分。中国的篮球联赛关注度高，是因为他们给前NBA球员的薪水很可观，让后者尽情发挥并且不给他们胜负方面的压力，这样一来，使得联赛内的中国球员更加相形见绌。

微博：nba球队huang 键盘侠🤔挺懂~美网友评中国篮球第二弹！中国孩子打球都像威少

（米罗斯拉夫-拉杜利察）

[–]LakersOfficialPaddysPub 128 points 6 hours ago

I got to play against Jamaal Franklin a couple of times and he was obviously good enough to get drafted, but didn’t make it so he went to China and basically averaged a 30 point triple double most of his years over there lol

湖人球迷：我曾和贾马尔-富兰克林打过两次球，以他的能力，明显是足以被NBA选中的，可惜没有成功（实际上贾马尔-富兰克林在2013年第二轮第41顺位被灰熊队选中，但2014年9月被灰熊裁掉，10月加盟CBA浙江广厦），所以就去了中国打球，他在CBA的那些年，基本上都能砍下场均30分的三双，哈哈哈…

（贾马尔-富兰克林）

[–]jimmytimmy23456 54 points 7 hours ago

All of their national team players with the exception of slowmo play in the Chinese leauge. The Chinese leauge is a good way to make a lot of money for little to no effort. Everyone from Eric Bledsoe to Jimmer Freddette to even Andrew Nicholson has put up unreal numbers there. Even outside of NBA and Euroleauge there are a handful of domestic leauges in Europe that offer better quality and devolpment but have lower pay. What's kind of funny is that in Asia right now Japan's leauge has probably surpassed China in terms of quality.

球迷：中国男篮队内，除了李凯尔之外，其他球员都是在CBA打球，而CBA是一个躺着挣大钱的好去处，从布莱德索到弗雷戴特，甚至还有安德鲁-尼科尔森，每个人都在CBA打出了爆炸数据。但除了NBA和欧洲篮球联赛以外，还有很多欧洲国家的篮球联赛水平是不错的，可以得到锻炼，但是薪水会稍微低一点。有趣的是，如今在亚洲，日本篮球联赛的水平很可能已经超过CBA了。

[–]silentorange813 60 points 7 hours ago

In the case of Japan, the formation of its own league was what propelled better players.

In 2015, the two leagues, the Japan Basketball Association and BJ League, merged into the B league and helped the rebranding and financial compensation for players.

Until that point, the two league system was such a mess that FIBA president Patrick Baumann threatened Japan that FIBA and the IOC would automatically disqualify Japan from the Tokyo Olympics unless the two leagues merged. FIBA and the IOC intervening in domestic leagues like that is super rare.

球迷：说到日本，他们国内联赛的构建确实推动了球员的成长。2015年，日本的两个篮球联赛-日本职业篮球联赛和日本BJ联赛-合并更名为B联赛，进行了品牌重塑并调整了球员的薪资结构。而在合并之前，这两个联赛搞得实在太乱了，国际篮协主席帕特里克-鲍曼当时威胁日本，除非他们把两个联赛给合并，不然国际篮协和国际奥委会将自动取消日本男篮在东京奥运会的参赛资格。国际篮协和国际奥委会像这样介入一个国内联赛的情况，还是相当少见的…

（井上雄彦曾为B联赛创作的插画）

[–]Trail Blazerspdxblazer 37 points 5 hours ago

Tell me more about the BJ league

开拓者球迷：请展开说说BJ联盟

（BJ的另外一个意思是...吧友们自己百度去吧）

[–]Bullsfudgie1[🍰] 5 points 3 hours ago

A lot of good ball handlers but they must have bad video guys because the streams become pixelated any time there's penetration.

公牛球迷：楼上有所不知啊...BJ联盟充斥着大量手活超群的控球高手，不过联赛摄影人员的技术实在不行，因为每次当比赛进行到有球员要突破插入的时候，就会出现马赛克…

[–]HeatDesikiki 28 points 4 hours ago

A success always comes from grassroot activities. Why does France excel in football ? Cause every single kid plays football wherever and whenever they can.

In China, relative to the population, very very very few people actually play collective sports. There’s just no culture to build on.

热火球迷：成功是少不了底层培养的，为什么法国足球那么强？因为在他们那儿，每个小孩儿随时随地都能踢足球。而在中国，相对于人口基数，很少很少有人玩集体运动项目，他们就是没有建立那种文化氛围。

[–]lilzeHHHO 6 points 3 hours ago

Have you been to China? There are pick up games everywhere. Every second apartment building has a court, every school has a court and they are nearly always in use.

球迷：楼上的，你有去过中国吗？那里遍地都是打野球的人，每两栋居民楼就有一个篮球场，每个学校都有篮球场，而且场地几乎就没有空过~

[–]Serbiadivinefood23 14 points 2 hours ago

Have you been anywhere in China besides a big city? A large portion of China still lives rural life’s with no hoops

球迷：楼上的大兄弟，除了大城市之外，你有去过中国其他地方吗？中国的大部分地区仍然是农村，没处打篮球的~

[–]Mavericksshaunsajan 6 points 2 hours ago

there are 100s of millions of chinese people in big cities thats not an excuse

球迷：光是大城市的人口，中国就有好几亿了，这不是借口~

[–]yysmer 1 point an hour ago

Lol there is no basketball at any apartment buildings, at least not in Shanghai where I live. Basketball courts are mostly paid to access.

球迷：哈哈哈~~哪有什么居民楼下建篮球场啊，至少在我生活的上海，我是没见过，而且大部分篮球场是收费的呢…

（双眼视力5.0的吧友们找找这张上海居民区图片里面有几座篮球场）

[–]WarriorsStellewind [score hidden] an hour ago

Chinese person chiming in here. This is the reason.

In US, if you are talented in basketball, scouts will notice you as early as grade schools, you will get to better schools, join better teams, trained by better coaches as you grow up, until you end up drafted by an NBA team. No talent will go unnoticed and there's a whole system in place to help them grow into a professional player, no matter where they come from.

China has insane amount of teenage boys playing basketball, and I am sure there are some absolute talented kids in there. But there's not a good system in place to actually pick out the talents and develop them all the way to the top. Vast majority of kids will be told to put school work in top priority and only keep basketball as a hobby. There are "sports schools" that have close connection with professional scenes, but only a small minority of kids would choose this route over regular school and it's often regarded as simply an inferior kind of school by parents.

Therefore, despite the large amount of kids playing basketball, the actually pool of talent that might end up become professional players is very limited. Hence the lack of success of Chinese basketball.

勇士球迷：我是中国人，我来插一嘴~

在美国，如果你有篮球天赋，你早在小学就会被球探发现，并且在你的成长过程中，你会被送到更好的学校培养，加入更好的球队，跟随更好的教练训练，直到你被NBA球队选中，在美国不会有篮球人才被埋没的，而且有整一个系统帮助他们成为职业球员，不管他们是来自那里的人。

在中国，打篮球的青少年数量惊人，其中肯定有一些孩子是天赋异禀的，但是中国没有一个好的系统去甄选璞玉，并培养他们成为顶尖篮球人才。大部分中国孩子都被灌输家庭作业才是重中之重、只能把打篮球当成爱好的观念。相对于去常规学校就读，只有少部分中国孩子会选择去上体育学校，而且对于中国家长来说，体育学校是相对低级的学校…

因此，虽然中国打篮球的孩子数量庞大，但是真正能成为职业球员的人才却非常少，所以中国篮球不太成功…

（吧友们暑假作业做完了吗）

[–]Lakersa-chill-guy-22 453 points 8 hours ago

They’re bad at pretty much every team sport, not just basketball

湖人球迷：其实，中国在所有的团体项目上都很差，不单单只是篮球…

[–]Buckssharklavapit 327 points 8 hours ago

you're right, of the 546 Olympic medals China have won since 1984, only 13 have come in team ball-events

雄鹿球迷：没错，1984年至今，中国共获得了546块奥运奖牌，但是其中只有13块奖牌是来自团队球类项目的…

（中国女排）

[–]Lakersmzp3256 36 points 5 hours ago

By comparison, Argentina has won 33 medals since 1984, and 14 of them were in team ball-events.

湖人球迷：作为对比，1984年至今，阿根廷共获得了33块奥运奖牌，其中有14块奖牌是来自团队球类项目的~

（2004年雅典奥运会，阿根廷男篮击败美国男篮夺得金牌）

[–]shomerudi 6 points 4 hours ago

That's not a very good stat since ~95% of medals available in the Olympics are in individual sports anyway.

But you can look at the last Olympics and see they didn't get a medal in any team sport aside from Artistic Swimming and Artistic Gymnastics.

球迷：这个数据不是很有说服力，因为95%的奥运会项目都是个体项目。但咱们可以看看上一届奥运会，除了花样游泳和艺术体操之外，中国没有获得其他任何一个团体项目的奖牌。

[–]Wizardsslimmymcnutty 22 points 6 hours ago

Fascinating how the US, a country built on individualism thrives in team sports and our most beloved sport is a game that brutally punishes individualism on every level. Yet China which is built on collectivism at least in the past 80 or so years has performed far better at individual sports

奇才球迷：美国，这个崇尚个人英雄主义的国家，她的团队体育却如此繁荣，而且我们最热爱的那个体育项目却是一个全方位残忍打击个人英雄主义的存在！这个反差太让人神醉了！而中国，这个在最近80年建立于集体主义之上的国家，却在个人体育上表现得如此拔群！

[–]KingsPanduMasta 108 points 5 hours ago

Nah, rich countries always dominate team sports. Because it's significantly more expensive and demands much more infrastructure to train a group of 11 top tier players than just 1.

国王球迷：错了，你应该这样去理解：富裕的国家统治团队体育！因为培育团队体育项目的成本要昂贵很多！相对于个人项目，培养由11个顶级球员组成的队伍并供给日常训练所需，所需投入的训练设施要多得多！！

[–]Bucksedhuang 2 points 4 hours ago

Ding ding ding. This is the correct answer!

雄鹿球迷：登登登灯…回答正确！！！

[–]MagicNeophyte_Gardener 84 points 8 hours ago*

I used to work at a high school for rich international students in a very large US state. The team won the state title one year I worked there. Half the population of the international students were asian (~90 percent chinese) and about 3/4 of the asian boys would play pickup everyday after school and were obsessed with basketball.

I used to play with them often, sort of a bonding thing. I mean most of them weren't bad at pickup basketball. most of them could dribble decently, a few shot the ball very well. But they had absolutely no idea how to play 5 on 5 organized regulation basketball. My friend was one of the coaches and to start they would do super basic drills in tryout week like 3 man weaves and it was utterly confusing to them. Like they just didn't know how to move around the court unless the ball was in their hands. They knew what setting a screen was but didn't know the fundamentals around it or where/when to set one up and for what direction. Zero boxing out. Very little effort on defense. There is a version of basketball they are trying to emulate and it isn't the kind that translates well. Video game basketball (they love 2k and league of legends) Granted these are just 50 or so kids out of a massive population, but the players coming from other countries knew much better how to win.

I worked there from 2013-2017. By the first warriors title nearly every one of them was playing pickup in a Curry Jersey, and playing even more one dimensional.

魔术球迷：我曾经在美国一个大州的一所为国际富人子弟提供教育的高中工作，在我工作的其中一年，这所学校的篮球队获得了州冠军。学校里面有一半的学生是亚洲人，而这其中的90%是中国人。学校四分之三的亚洲男孩儿每天放学之后都会打野球，他们很痴迷篮球。

我当时经常和他们打篮球，算是和他们处关系吧~他们之中很多人野球都打得不错，运球也很棒，还有一些投篮很准！但是他们完全不知道怎么在5V5规则之下的打篮球比赛。我的朋友是那里的一个篮球教练，一般开始的一个礼拜，他们会对学生摸摸底，做一些超级基础的运球训练，比如三人一组跑一跑绕八字战术啥的，但是这却彻底把那些学生给整不会了，就是…只要球没有在手里，他们就不知道怎么在场上跑位了。他们知道什么是挡拆，但是不知道挡拆的基本原理和意图是什么，或者说不知道需要在什么时候什么位置做挡拆、向哪个方向做挡拆。他们抢篮板不挡人，也几乎不花力气去防守。实际上他们是在模仿某一种打篮球的方式，不过学得不像，那就是篮球电子游戏（他们喜欢打2K游戏和英雄联盟）。诚然，这些孩子可能只是中国庞大人口中的其中50几个而已，但是其他国家出来的运动员确实更加懂球！

从2013年到2017年，我都在那儿工作，而这几年间勇士队夺得第一个冠军之际，那里每个人打野球都会穿着库里的球衣，而且打球的方式更加单一了…

[–]cwalking 23 points 6 hours ago

“Like they just didn't know how to move around the court unless the ball was in their hands”

This explains every 3-on-3 game I ever played against teams of Chinese international students when I was in university: lots of guys with really quick, good shooting skills and twitchy dribbles, but no other action. Unless the ball was in their hands or they were running for a rebound, they'd mostly be frozen on the court.

It was so strange.

球迷：“只要球没有在手里，他们就不知道怎么在场上跑位了”…这就难怪了…我上大学的时候，每次和中国的学生打3V3，他们速度很快，投篮技术很好，运球很花，但是除了这些，就没其他动作了，除了球在他们手上或者抢篮板的时候他们会跑动，其他大部分时候他们都在场上都站着不动…

[–]Spursavocado_law 2 points 2 hours ago

so they are basically westbrook?

马刺球迷：这么说…他们都是威少咯？

[–]San Francisco Warriorsdrunkpandabear 48 points 6 hours ago

I'm Chinese-American and went over to do a college summer abroad in Shanghai back in 2006 (yes I'm old). Two of my classmates were like 6'4 white guys and loved playing basketball. So we went and played pick-up at a local court. All the locals wanted to And 1 mixtape it up, dribble like AI, and try to show up these tall white Americans. The second we played any level of defense, they called fouls nonstop and then tried to literally start a fight with us for playing defense until this old dude watching told them to suck it up. It was like if you didn't let them do their mixtape move, they were going to take their ball and go home. Weird weird experience.

勇士球迷：我是美籍华裔，2006年大学暑假，我去了上海做交流学习（是的，现在我上年纪了）。当时和我同班的有两个身高193cm的白人同学，他们都很喜欢打篮球，于是我们仨就去上海当地的一个篮球场打野球。去了之后发现那里的人都喜欢玩那种街头篮球的花活，运起球来像艾弗森，并且想在白人大个子面前显摆显摆。但是当我们把防守强度提上来之后，他们立刻开始不停地喊犯规，接着竟然冲上来想跟我们干架，就因为我们跟他们玩儿防守…直到有个年长的哥们儿看到了之后上来告诉他们闭嘴好好打球，这才平息下来。这就好像，如果你妨碍他们玩儿花活，他们就会把球拿走直接回家。非常非常奇怪的一次经历…

（对不起了，杰伦哥）

[–]MavericksBurgerBurnerCooker 2 points 4 hours ago

The deeper reason is the entirely social economic status in China. People are facing high housing prices and low wages, hyper competition for education and employment opportunities, together with the culture of overlooking sports, most kids are going through the regular college-job route as it's generally the "safer" choice.

独行侠球迷：（中国篮球弱的）深层原因是中国的整体社会经济问题。中国老百姓要面对高额房贷、低收入以及极端的教育、求职竞争带来的压力，还要面对全社会对体育运动的忽视，所以大部分孩子都选择拿大学文凭求职这条相对“保险”的人生路。

[–]SunsMundingburrasaurus 2 points 5 hours ago

China has lifted 0.8 billion or something like that out of poverty. Give em a break on the athletics. They're doing fine.

太阳球迷：中国已经让8亿老百姓脱离了贫困，你们却在这儿谈论人家运动员弱，消停点儿吧，他们做得很不错了！

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